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Arrogant Indians; Uppity Blacks

March 5, 2010

3rd post in and I already need to invoke PlanetGrok’s law of HBD blogs. I went to a substantially African-American high school and I know of blacks all around the economic spectrum, so talking about blacks doesn’t really seem so absurd to be me. Yet, I realize a majority of blogs that focus on group differences (so-called HBD) have more malicious intents.  I do not. Still, this is a No-PC zone and while I realize a majority of blacks and Indians are decent people to be around (a majority of both groups are not ‘arrogant’), personal observations should still be talked about.

In a Steve Sailer comment thread I participated in, I noticed several other commenters remark on how ‘arrogant’ Indians in the West behave. PG has noted the narcissism of certain South Asian groups. Even Sasha Baron Cohen has a hilarious Indian-accented schtick based on this in the Madagascar movie series. A notable quote:

Excuse me, this is first class, its nothing personal, it’s just that we’re better than you

I had previously felt that my personal experience with Indian arrogance had been due to their understandable distain of me for my bad habit of dating their women. Now, I’m getting the feeling that this could be a characteristic of a measurable minority of Indians in the West. Many people do not notice this behavior from East Asians who often come across as humble, even if they feel differently in private.

As commenters in the Sailer thread noted: India is a craphole. While the 10 million or so ultra-selected Indians in 1st world countries are relatively successful, a majority of the 1.5 billion South Asians in the world live mired in poverty comparable to that of the average African. Lynn gives India an average IQ of 81 (their tested score was 79) and the surrounding South Asian countries IQs of 80 or below. Long-existent Indian diaspora communities in the Caribbean and Southeast Pacific are hardly impressive.

So what is there for Indians to be arrogant about? Similar behavior has also been seen from some upper-class professional blacks; redneck southerners even have a term for it: uppity.

I think an HBD explanation exists for this behavior. According to Jason Richwine, the average Indian-American IQ is 112. This is more than two-standard deviations above their national mean. Similarly, it takes an IQ of 110 or so to pass calculus, something only a small percentage of blacks would be able to do. My theory: given that most racial groups spend their formative years around each other, successful blacks and Indians are well-aware of their intellectual superiority over their co-ethnics. This may lead them to assume they are also vastly mentally superior to members of other groups. Presently, differences in average intelligence exist between groups, whether or not they are heavily genetic remains to be seen.

It will be interesting to see the developmental trajectory of India though. International investors are under the impression that India is the next China. Many of them went to the orient 20 years ago and saw a desperately impoverished Chinese state. They expect similar progress from India, they may be disappointed.

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  1. March 5, 2010 7:32 am

    The arrogance comes from a few different factors, I think.

    One is that India is the cradle of high ancient civilization and has managed to keep it’s ancient cultures, traditions, arts, languages, philosophies and religions in tact and practically unchanged despite centuries of invasions and conquests by outside forces. This is all a matter of “pride” for many Indians, and is of course, totally understandable.

    Second, India has always been a very heirarchal country, even before it was a country – let’s say South Asia in general has always been very heirarchal, with people knowing their place on the totem pole and acting accordingly.

    A person who comes from a broken home or cannot trace their lineage beyond a mere 150 years or so would not have a high place in the heirarchy, so most Indians see non-Indians, Westerners in particular, as lacking “culture” and all that.

    Another factor may be, an Indian may be genuinely humble and non-arrogant, but sometimes his or her accent or mannerisms may APPEAR to be arrogant to a non-Indian, as Indians do tend to have a bit more of a “formal” approach towards people they are not related to. And the accent speaks for itself.

    In short, yeah, I think a lot of Indians do come across as arrogant, but I think they have a few good reasons to be arrogant, such as the incredibly rich, diverse and profound cultures that they hail from. Well, that may not be an excuse for arrogance, but it’s at least understandable.

    On the otherhand for the ones who are arrogant just because they may be rich or something, that’s just bullshit.

  2. March 5, 2010 7:49 am

    PS: In addition to the above points…
    Regarding Sailer’s commenters declaring that Indians have nothing to be proud of because they are so poor, even more than Africans, that is a totally materialistic view of the world. India is known for it’s profound depth of spirituality and philosophy, which is at the very heart of it’s culture, even today. So it would be THIS that Indians can be justifiably proud of. It has nothing to do with money.

    You will find people in India living extremely humbly, what I would could “simply” but what you might call “poverty stricken” but they are happy, and smart, and often respected in their town or village for having mastered some difficult philosophical work of one sort or another. Like that.

    Being poor does not mean being a dumb ass beggar.

    On the otherhand it may be that Sailer’s commenters are comparatively wealthy with many more material oppurtunities than Indian in general, but they are products of broken homes and psyches, unhappy, bitchy, rude, crude, promiscuous, obsessed by porn or other some such low class behaviour like bar-hopping and going through multiple relationships, marrying, divorcing and then trying to score pussy or dick EVEN WHILE BEING A SINGLE PARENT or whatever – having zero culture and class, despite money and electronic gadgets.

    In general I would say there is a world of difference between financial wealth and cultural wealth… what to speak of spiritual wealth.

    So, this might be why some Indians are a bit hesitant to “mix”.

    I can’t blame ’em. So am I!

    • Dwayne Mayor permalink
      March 5, 2010 2:17 pm

      I am willing to accept Punjabi snobbery whenever those “spiritually enlightened” and “proud” Hindis stop butchering and raping my fellow Christians.

    • angetty permalink
      February 2, 2017 5:40 am

      OM,

      Satan is also very spiritual. In fact , he hails from the Spirit World.

      Congrats Indians. You have something in common with Satan. In fact more. Satan also comes in myriad forms disguising as gods /godesses. Ooops…isn’t it Hinduism with their thousands, if not millions of pagan gods. Again, congrats. Your so identification with Satan is getting closer by each expose.

  3. March 5, 2010 7:55 am

    I agree that Indians have a long history which they should be proud of and that a lot of mistaken impressions are made from Indian facial expressions. I completely agree that India’s culture is very rich relative to other peoples. There’s also the perceived notion that smart dark-skinned people that keep to themselves are arrogant, hence my point about uppity blacks. But generally people don’t say these sorts of things about black African immigrants – an oftentimes smart people from impoverished homelands. Or East Asians for that matter. This leaves the impression that a lot of it is rooted in the hierarchical nature of Indians.

    Should we importation Indians tendency to be hierarchical? I don’t know the roots of post-colonial India’s socialism and pro-USSR stance, but I suspect it had something to do with this sort of shit.

  4. March 5, 2010 1:56 pm

    I’m skeptical of Richard Lynn’s national IQ figures. His methods were often far short of rigorous. He guessed the IQ of some countries by using neighboring country data, and he would cherry pick results – for example in his figure on Italian IQ, he uses two studies from the north. If he has included southern Italy, the Italian average would have dropped a bit, methinks.

    The caste system definitely comes into play with Indian ethnic arrogance. With blacks I think it’s more of a “sticking to the man” mentality.

    Something I always found amusing was that light-skinned blacks who are probably darn near white are often the ones to be the most Afrocentric, in an apparent attempt to make up for their complexion.

  5. March 5, 2010 5:06 pm

    Dwayne Mayor, many (maybe most?) Punjabis are Sikh, so they would have nothing to do with “Hindu pride”.

    (You said “hindis”. are you aware that there is no group of people called “hindis”, but that “hindi” is a language?)

    Anyway, if any Hindus have killed Christians they are just a few out of millions. There really is no inter-religious strife at the ground level in India because India has ALWAYS had a religiously plural society. The inter-religious and inter-communal conflict in India is planned and carried out by politicians and their hired goons (gangsters) only, and they do it to get votes during elections.

    Regarding smart and wealthy Africans and East Asians not appearing as arrogant as Indians, again, CULTURE. Africans and East Asians have failed to hold on to much of their cultural traditions. Even then, were those traditions as rich, varied, deep and incredible as India’s to beginwith? I don’t know but my hunch is “probably not”.

    Even East Asia’s Buddhist culture comes from India. But have the East Asians held onto their Pre-Buddhist and Pre-Christian cultures like India has held onto it’s ancient cultures? NO.

    Have Africans held onto their Pre-Christian and Pre-Muslims cultures? NO.

    India has held onto and even exported it’s ancient traditions, while at the same time importing and absorbing later cultures, traditions and religions as well.

  6. The King of Punjab permalink
    March 6, 2010 6:13 am

    You are wrong about the arrogance stemming from feeling better than other Indians. In India being successful encompasses high quality in other areas too – women, family. When Indians observe the average westerner – black or white or Indian – with its promiscuousness, increasing acceptance of bastards, teenage pregnancies and the mainstream plebeian culture they get an automatic instinctive reaction of disgust which often comes across as arrogance.

    However, this is not peculiar to Indians – at one point of time these behaviours would have been considered shameful by the average westerner too. Also Indians are not too far behind in adopting these behaviours too in this inter-mixed world.

    This arrogance and disgust is similar to what other high income conservative family groups (mainly whites) also feel. They really think they are better than you – and they are not wrong.

    You need to observe more intently and think deeper.

  7. March 6, 2010 7:17 am

    King of Punjab, I agree. However, I do not feel that at a core level any human being is intrinsically “better” than any other human being, but I do feel that some BEHAVIOURS are better than others, and where you see better behaviours in the aggregate population in any given culture, you can say that perhaps that “culture” is “better” than other cultures as well.

    I think we can all agree that no two human beings are exactly the same, and no two cultures are the same either.

    However, each culture does have it’s postive and negative aspects. There is no “perfect” culture.

    But I will say that Indian culture has a better FAMILY CULTURE than current day American (lack of) family culture.

    SHIT! That’s a no-brainer obvious to any objective person.

    Bhalle Bhalle!

  8. The King of Punjab permalink
    March 6, 2010 9:32 am

    OM, I agree. I didn’t mean to say one human belonging to a particular group is better than other as a generalisation. That said every individual is judged by his actions. This has nothing to do with race. However, when people see people of the same group taking the same actions – it tends to become a group stereotype (racial/cultural/religious/background/socio-economic) etc.

    Topics like group differences, especially racial ones are a hard topic to discuss for obvious reasons – sensitivity, self-identity etc. Going by his words the blogger here is making an honest effort to discuss the differences which is admirable, but his own experiences and identity seems to be tripping him up – which is fair enough – as I said it’s a hard topic to discuss objectively.

    Levi (Bristol Palin crush?) you made a few assumptions which led to your post. Let me clarify these:

    1. African Americans and Indians may share the same black colour of the skin but culturally, genetically, anthropologically they are very different to each other and do not identify with each other at all. So uppity blacks and arrogant Indians are completely different topics – don’t mix them up. Black people come in very different varieties too. This is similar to assuming that East Asians and Europeans are similar because they both are light skinned.

    2. Culturally, Europeans and African Americans are very close. See the linkages between white trash and the ghetto culture. Indians also have their own lower end bell curve members too – however its very different to the type found in trailers or ghettos.

    You are only 3 posts old so all good – you’ll get better but while discussing very complex topics make sure the underlying basics are all on a firm base. Your logic was a bit hard to follow – Smart Indians feel smarter than other Indians so they get feel smarter than everyone else. In our competitive day and age in mixed workplaces and academia – false self delusions get punctured very quickly by reality. But I agree with you some Indians can be insufferably arrogant. And sometimes it can also be hard for a white person to grasp as how a non-white group can be arrogant – try to think why.

    HBD discussions require excluding the influence of our racial self identities – which is hard.

  9. March 6, 2010 12:01 pm

    Thanks for the input King of Punjab. I completely agree with that last point.

    Personally, I really just wanted an excuse to talk about a rarely discussed group in an un-PC way. One of the main allures of the HBD-o-sphere for me is the discussion of ‘exotic’ groups and their quirks.

  10. March 6, 2010 5:32 pm

    King of Punjab, the Desi bias against being associated with Black people has reared it’s ugly head in your post. LOL. I’ll let it slide since I know it might even be a genetic bias in Desis. LOL.

    If you look at old and indigenous African cultures and tradtions you will find many parrallels with traditional Desi culture(s) though.

    However, what we see in the United States does not reflect that of course. But the United States is one big social experiment.

  11. Aaron abraham permalink
    March 21, 2010 8:00 am

    Interesting, I have never noticed arrogant behavior from Indians.

    At the end of the day, except for whites, all non-Western groups I have come across are arrogant.

    The Chinese and East Asians in general are notorious for being arrogant – the Chinese in particular have a history for being known for this, and in fact Chinese arrogance and notions of their own superiority proved so unshakeable in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary that they suffered over a century of humiliation and defeat at the hands of supposedly *inferior* Westerners rather than simply accept that perhaps those Westerners weren`t so inferior after all.

    What is noteworthy is that none of these countries/cultures have any particular basis for their arrogance – sure, both the Indians and Chinese have some cultural and other accomplishments that are worthy of respect, but that hardly distinguishes them, and they have many blemishes as well. In other words, neither the Chinese nor Indians have shown themselves to be BETTER than each other, or than many other cultures around the world, yet their bizarre arrogance persists, even when it is shown to be massively self-destructive and mere pig-headedness.

    That`s why I can`t buy any of this arrogance as having any foundation in any kind of achievement – sure, Indians have some achievements, so do Chinese – but so does the West. To be proud of yourself, sure. But arrogance? That seems laughable, especially when compared with the achievements of the West, alongside which, it must be admitted even by the greatest cultural chauvinist, all other national achievements pale. It must have some other explanation.

    It should be noted that in many extremely poor countries like Egypt, or Thailand, for instance, a similar arrogance and sense of personal superiority finds expression. Ethiopia too, be it noted – all countries I have visited so I can report firsthand.

    Interestingly, the West, which as the one culture which might have the greatest justification for displaying the greatest arrogance, has never shown it to the degree that other civilizations have – for instance, no matter how superior a Westerner might have considered his own civilization in the 18th century, no Western scientist or philosopher would show the complete disinterest in foreign cultures that is relatively common amongst the Chinese, who often rejected manifestly superior ways of thinking or effective ways of doing things – like modern medicine – simply because it was *foreign*, and who showed almost no interest in learning from others.

    It is a fascinating question overall – why were the Chinese so arrogant? Was it some kind of defense mechanism against seeing the truth about their own limitations? Why did they not see how self-destructive this arrogance would be when confronted with the West? Interestingly, the Chinese would pay money to barbarian tribes on their northern borders in return both for peace and to obtain a kind of ritual, wholly illusory *tribute* from these tribes – why were the Chinese so intent on getting an acknowledgement of their own superiority from these foreign tribes, an acknowledgement they were unable to procure by force of arms or free interactions, but were actually willing to pay for an illusion? Why did this kind of meaningless *face* mean so much to them?

    When the Chinese launched their great voyages in the 15th century, it wasn`t for conquest, it wasn`t for science, it wasn`t for trade – it was to force foreigners to acknowledge Chinese superiority. This is remarkable – why would anyone care so much about such a thing?

    The one thing that unites countries like China, India, Thailand, Egypt, Ethiopia, is that they don`t particularly have all that much to be proud of – in that sense, their arrogance can be seen as a defense mechanism.

    Another thing is that all these countries have rigid and serious caste systems, which seem a breeding ground for arrogance. The English in Europe were known for their arrogance, and England was the most class ridden country in Europe.

    The whole question is a fascinating one with many twists and turns.

    • guest permalink
      October 19, 2011 5:44 am

      @Aaron

      Your understanding of China and it’s culture and history are full of straw-men. You are either biased or really just shallow.

    • August 9, 2016 4:25 pm

      @Aron,

      No arrogance can EVER COMPARE to TALMUDIC deJEWnerate.

      You reprobates have a special tile for non-Jews..,ie, Goyim. And goyims are nothing more than animal to you deJewnerates.

      Case in Point ; who runs the Illuminati/Freemason/NWO? Who owns all the banking system, cough, cough ROTHCHILDS. WHo run Hollywood..wth all its “….steins”, “…bergs”, “….son”
      and of course “….ham”..like you, Aron AbraHAM!

      NO human race in this world is more arrogant and DEMONICALLY SUPERIORITY complex than your accursed breed that is most hate-fill, SATANIC, DEMONIC, MANIACAL, inhuman to the core that you mofos actually PRODUCE such doctrine to live by. It’s called the Talmud. You mofos beat Islam anyday, because at least, they are in your face shitty..but your breed is SLIMY, SUBTLE, MALIGNANT NARCISSITIC, always playing the victim, pretending to be the victim while all this while victimizing the world. You mofos are basically like your father the SERPENT.
      So now i ask you, why is it people canNOT be anti-semite?… when people like you is also anti-Chinese. But do you see Chinese gov or NGOs or media or entertainment moguls HYPING to the sore of one’s ear about anti-Chinese this, that…as in like you mofos? Why would such a breed like yours care so much for such a thing? (<—-pretty similar to your question, eh.) that the world has to accommodate to your particular breed or even like you? Say anything against the Jews…all hell breaks loose wth a big uproar of being anti-semite here, anti-semite there. I post the SAME concept of question to yours ,ie "why would anyone care so much about such a thing?" referring to your allegation that Chinese want to show superiority.

      Case in point Mel Gibson's career was destroyed when showed Passion of The Christ..why? The same thing for James Caviezel. Coz it made you Yashua-murderers face to face wth your shit as you've been trying desperately to side-track. Then say anything bad about Jews, esp. in the media, or entertainment industry your career is over. And what's up wth all the banking and financial institution high post being ALL Jews if not MOSTLY JEWS. You mofos has a Talmudis doctrine that is OK to charge usury to goyims but not to your own kind.

      And what's up wth Jewboy Bill Gates pushing vaccination killing thousands on Indian kids?
      What's up wth America so addicted to suck Israel's ass to the detriment of its own people's interest and utter disgust?
      I can go on and on DeJewnerate Aron Abraham about your accursed bloodline…..bcoz when you make allegations of Chinese, at most wth their flaws in many ways they are still human….and gullible and messed up, so yeah I'm not backing China/Chinese either. If NOT how the heck will they fall into your NWO bs…they like USA and all the world's gov is held by the throat to do your bloodline's satanic bidding, failing of which WW3 on the way. Your bloodline is serpentine, ie, Fallen Ones…non-human. So you shut your pie hole about pretending to be one.

      I mean, EXPLORE this
      http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=156

      One has to be NOT of human seed to even come close to this level of debauchery, perverseness, reprobate, and depravity…and anti-Yashua..that one wonders, why the GENERATIONAL HATE and DISGUST towards him, that is is taught from forefathers to posterity. The only answer is, you breed is satanic by nature,e, not fully human.

  12. March 23, 2010 11:36 pm

    Aaron Abraham, I’m surprised you’ve not found Indians to be arrogant but at the same time you comment on that arrogance, (that you have not personally experienced).

    Yes, Indians often come across as arrogant and indeed some of them are. But I think sometimes they come across as arrogant when not meaning to be.

    There are many cultures and sub-cultures in India, and they all have to do with caste or religion or class or culture or tradition. For this reason you will find Indians that are not really into “mixing” with people who do not understand their particular sub-culture, whatever it may be.

    Some Indians are very strict with regards to what type of food they eat and many will not eat food that has not been cooked at home. For this reason, if they refuse to eat food that is casually offered to them when in social or business settings, this can perhaps appear “arrogant”, when in fact all they are doing is following their traditional food taboo.

    The countries that you mention: China, Thailand, Egypt and Ethiopia, are all more cultured and tradition-bound than any post-modern Western European or North American country, and THAT culture and tradition is what the people from these countries are proud of, not scientific discoveries or inventions, though those are also things to be proud of as well.

    India in particular has managed to keep in tact much of it’s ancient culture and tradition, compared to other places that broke under the onslaught of Abrahamic cults and empires.

    If you stay for some time in India, amongst India’s people, you will discover for yourself exactly what Indians have to be proud of.

  13. OM: PS permalink
    March 24, 2010 1:43 am

    PS: to the above.

    In addition to the above factors, another factor in the “pride” of people from India the countries you listed, perhaps the biggest factor, is pride in social engineering.

    Meaning: widespread family stability and extended family connection and LOVE

    The West has a very “crass” and vulgar face. You will not find the sort of lack of family values and bold, crass vulgarity that is promoted in the media and pop-culture of the West in India, and I presume in Egypt, Ethiopia, Thailand or China eiter.

    These are all places where people can trace their family trees back quite far, in India VERY far, and the families are intact.

    Youth respect their elders and even LOVE to hang out with their aunties and uncles. You just don’t find that in the West. Sporadically, yeah. On a wide-scale as you will find in India – no way.

    There is just an overall wholesomeness and goodness found within family-based cultures in Eastern countries that is missing in the West, where the families are made up of single moms and dads who’s kids have to grow up watching them dating and trying to “score”.

    Both the kids AND the parents in the West are online “looking”.

    In India and other countries, this would be deemed very shameful.

    Even Indians who are not by nature arrogant, wouldn’t wanna hang tight with such people or have their kids associating with them, YET, sometimes, just by virtue of living amongst them, they must.

    • Elle permalink
      January 30, 2013 1:41 am

      You East Indians are boring. We’re too busy inventing things to hang out with our Aunties…

      My parents closest friends growing up were East Indian. I’ve had so many horrible, racist, nasty experiences with east indians, I avoid them completely now. I won’t even offer my services to them as a business.

      East Indians ARE JEALOUS OF WHITES BECAUSE OF THEIR LIGHT SKIN AND THEIR OBSESSION WITH LIGHT SKIN. EAST INDIANS WANT REVENGE ON ALL PEOPLE OF EUROPEAN DESCENT BECAUSE “THE BRITISH COLONIZED” INDIA. Indian women hate seeing white women in an Indian dress- even if they are in nothing but European designer labels and jeans and sneakers.

      East Indians- revolting!

      Whites, please don’t under-estimate East Indians hatred of you!

  14. Aaron abraham permalink
    March 25, 2010 3:30 am

    Om, I HAVE been to India, three times, to be exact. I love traveling in India, although I think the average Westerner wouldn`t exactly come away from India with a better understanding of what Indians have to be proud of, so I don`t know how sound your advice is.

    Look, the point is not that Indians, or Egyptians, or any other group, don`t have things about their culture they can be proud of. Of course they do. The question is are these cultures so much better than other cultures that they deserve to be ARROGANT about it.

    The idea that Indians have something to be proud of – as well as things to be ashamed of – is uncontroversial. The idea that Indians have earned the right to be arrogant, is, to put it mildly and despite the fact that I actually like much about Indian culture, ludicrous.

    You will notice that I spoke most about the famous Chinese arrogance and only indirectly about Indian arrogance, which I have not experienced firsthand. I think what many are confusing for Indian arrogance is actually Indians surliness – which I have noticed.

    I think arrogance – as distinguished from healthy pride – is more likely a defense mechanism for cultures who suffer from a deep sense of their own inadequacy. It is striking that the wealthier and more successful a country is, the less arrogant it is – even the Japanese, the most successful people in Asia, are much less arrogant than the Chinese, and it`s interesting that Chinese arrogance filled so powerful an emotional role in Chinese psychology that they let their own country be destroyed rather than face reality. There is a famous case in a southern Chinese city – Nanjing, I believe, where the Chinese governor in the face of a Western warship demanding parley choosing neither to accept, deny, or address the demands, or even fight the warship, when the results were so predictable. This is pathological and cries out for a psychological explanation – not simply saying *the Chinese have great accomplishments a thousand years ago so it makes sense they should be this arrogant*.

    The West has the most impressive record of accomplishment of any civilization in the history of the world – not just in science, but in art, literature, architecture, and philosophy, indeed all the branches of culture – yet far from displaying the kind of mindless, futile arrogance common in other cultures, has shown a deep curiosity and appreciation of foreign cultures.

    Anyways it`s an interesting question.

    • Kitty permalink
      July 7, 2012 6:35 am

      You are full of BS. Your ignorance and poor way of thinking are laughable. The West has created its increasingly declining empire over invading, abusing and stealing. There’s NOTHING to be proud about there. And the arts, music, literature, philosophy, architecture, and any other field are not better in one place over the other as they are all different, beautiful, enlightening and unique in their own ways. Saying otherwise speaks volumes about your narrow mind and makes you look very stupid. I actually feel pity for you.

      And remember, if the Westerners would not have actively sought to disturb others, they would be nothing today. NOTHING…if we use your superficial measures, of course. In that sense, giving a look at poverty-stricken Eastern Europe would be more than enough to see what “the West” would look like today if Western Europeans would not have invaded other lands. Luckily, the worthiness of a nation is not based on their economy or their influence worldwide. There’s much more than that, and that is the complexities developed by the human mind in order to create the environment in which these people will share a space with others.

      And about Chinese, Indian, Westerner, African, or anyone else’s arrogance. They are all full of bullshit. Their arrogance stems from superficial measures (eg. morals, race purity, skin color, ancestral inventions, arts, culture, etc.,) just as you are doing now. But they can’t help it; they, just as you are, are sheep who believe whatever they are told by an authority figure, just like the typical Americans do. But to be fair, I don’t blame them at all as humans are always looking for a sense of self-worth, and to accomplish this, they actually look for any illogical reason that make them slightly different from the rest (which they superficially rationalize so that they can feel better than the others.) But when it comes to actually show their value as individual beings, most get lost as all their sense of worthiness and pride is all based on their position in society as part of a group.

      I love it when people try to appear smarter than they actually are and hide behind pompous language for the sake of self-delusion. Nice try though.

  15. March 27, 2010 12:30 am

    “It is striking that the wealthier and more successful a country is, the less arrogant it is ”

    What?! Americans are WORLD-FAMOUS for their arrogance!

    “The West has the most impressive record of accomplishment of any civilization in the history of the world – not just in science, but in art, literature, architecture, and philosophy, indeed all the branches of culture”

    I STRONGLY disagree with this. Especially in regards to literature, philosophy and architecture.

    But the West has had good PR, that’s for sure.

  16. Aaron abraham permalink
    March 28, 2010 6:39 pm

    Interestingly, Americans were famous for arrogance earlier in the 20th century and the late 19th century – that’s when the whole meme started – at a time when America wasn’t obviously top dog and still felt a strong sense of cultural and even material inferiority towards Europe.

    These days, when America is obviously top dog and Europe is obviously a has been even in the intellectual/cultural sphere, and Americans no longer look up to Europe even culturally, Americans are much less notable for their arrogance, even though the meme hasn’t died down yet.

    The psychological implications of nations displaying arrogance – rather than mere healthy pride – continue to interest me.

  17. OM SHAMLOM permalink
    March 29, 2010 2:30 am

    Aaron Abraham, are you a handsome dark haired, dark eyed Jew?

    I fantasized about the Brooklyn Hasid when I lived there as a young girl. They had a large percentage of handsome young men amongst their ranks. And I loved their curls. But they were so insular I was scared to talk to them.

  18. Columbia Runner permalink
    June 22, 2010 1:49 pm

    Recently I experience a lot of Indian arrogance from an Indian involved with an israeli
    IT firm. His arrogance is about the fact he lives in Princeton NJ and that he hates women
    in IT.

    I happened on this string looking up ‘Indian arrogance. Maybe what you say here about culture is true but I also think when someone comes to MY country (family has been here 400 years!) they
    should respect OUR culture. One of the things I find most disgusting is the failure to learn English
    that is American. Perhaps they can write it but the pronunciation is awful. This no doubt happens due to not speaking English at home. It is neither cultured nor interest in education that has one disdain to speak another language properly. I speak three!

    I also have friends in Canada and like them I am appalled by the ‘Honor Killings’ that occur among Indians and their ‘cheapness’. In work occasions I have had a co-worker from India send back a dish more than once and ask for another after consuming half the one they ordered! Then complain and not pay! Is that not arrogance?

    What many people also do not know is that our system has let many Indian origin students stay here under the Mosaic immigration rule. Then they bring their parents, etc. and many of these are on the welfare system or having Medicare pay their doctor bills.

    The Indian in question lied about me and a co-worker to try to make himself appear ‘better’.

    Regardless of what ‘culture’ there is in India over the years, they can keep it. I know of nothing for which I should thank, in the present, and going forward, even in IT, very many Indians at
    all. What culture they had is dead and they are only here in the West for the almighty dollar!

    And they can’t run beans!

  19. sandesh permalink
    June 30, 2010 3:48 pm

    lol, ur iq is less than 10…..
    i agree that some indians can be arrogant, but thats not the same case in other neighboring countries in south asia, for example- Nepal….
    liked the iq, thing. south indians are dumb, and arrogant as hell. but no need to give other people from other neighboring countries of india the same iq, because they are completely different. not arrogant-self centered bastards of south india.

    so, blame india. not other countries.

    and dont give other countries a bad iq, most of them are already smarter than u and south indians.

  20. Bob the Chef permalink
    November 9, 2010 5:23 pm

    The appeal to IQ is dumb, because IQ is dumb. Minimum of 112 to pass calculus? You’re kidding. That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard all day. Everyone is capable of learning it, given enough time, and frankly, the way calculus is taught suggests that it is hardly understand and reducible to memorizing formulas that generate answers. A computer can do it. A dumbass can.

    The explanation for arrogance isn’t rocket science. India is forging a nationalism, a pride, which it is attempts to use to overcome a sense of inferiority and economic backwardness. It’s a tool used by politicians, and the opiate drunk by the unwashed Indian masses. China suffers the same. If you still don’t understand, look at Nazi Germany. German arrogance is a Coue method used to paper over a deep inferiority complex which it feels in the context of history. That inferiority was exasperated at the close of WWI and at Versailles and many times over when the Great Depression hit, because it undermined the German self-image that was spoon fed to children in schools. Germany, too, was united from a number of shard kingdoms, duchies and principalities only in the late 19th century, and one way to create that sense of overall unity was to give a sense of rising to power. Hitler merely tapped into German resentment to realize his ambitions.

    So, Indian arrogance…nothing new, de rigueur, even the US went through a phase of that at one point, old hat. I promise you that kind of arrogance does not exist in Somalia. However, the pride we associate with it is an essential ingredient used by those in power to lure the masses into cooperation, ambition and unity. It’s the “we’re better than you” component of an ideology that makes it more attractive over the others and resists fragmentation.

    Is it possible to drive a country toward a certain cooperation or unity or self-respect without having to beat the drum of arrogance? Sure. But it’s much easier and expedient this way.

    So, if you want to have something to say to a clever Indian, simply strike at the his points of pride. Examples:
    1) “Indian philosophy is a failure, because it failed to produce the full fruit of a true metaphysics which has only been realized in the West, namely in Greece, and then refined in Europe.”
    2) “Indian science never got very far over the years. The West accomplished considerably more in a much shorter time.”

    Otherwise, who cares about them.

  21. Kala permalink
    December 20, 2010 3:35 am

    My theory is this: Indians harbor a great sense of insecurity owing to colonialism. The success that the Indian diaspora has achieved in the West has emboldened Indians to where they now believe that not only are they not inferior in any way, but that they’re somehow genuinely more intelligent than Westerners (and all others, for that matter). The arrogance and disdain they exhibit is their retribution for colonialism.

    The Indians who’ve come to America since the mid 1990s or so are by far the worst, because they arrive here with the arrogance ingrained, due to the successes of the earlier immigrants. I find it very difficult to relate and work with these types.

    • Elle permalink
      January 30, 2013 1:49 am

      DING, DING, DING… BINGO! “The British Colonized India” fuels their hatred towards “whites” and the West. I’ve had East Indians even physically assault me due to this, make hateful comments, especially when I wear Indian print dresses, people I didn’t even know and had never spoken a word too. Disgusting.

      I’ve also heard they teach East Indian children to work harder than Americans as a form of revenge for the colonizing…

      East Indians, dumbed down like most people, think all Americans are White British people. They think they have the right to “get revenge” on us.

      Creepy, disgusting and awful.

      Whites are the least racist this day and age. We’re taught to appease them- they are taught to hate us.

  22. Wing Bai Wang permalink
    March 26, 2011 10:42 pm

    Aaron Abraham, you are a stupid fucking jew. Don’t talk shit about China. You are nothing compared to China. If everyone in China knew a bit more about jews, we would have invaded Israel and give them their just reward by killing every Jewish man, woman and child. You’re just lucky that Chinese people don’t know too much about jews… yet.

  23. Shivakumar permalink
    August 3, 2011 11:18 pm

    You will be surprised. Indians are arrogant towards each other in India.

  24. Wakjob permalink
    July 2, 2012 6:52 am

    Indians are arrogant because:

    1) They are all thieves and paranoid they might be found out.

    2) Stupid and afraid they will be found out so.

    3) Lazy and thieves, and worried people will learn the truth about them.

    Companies ruined or almost ruined by imported Indian labor

    Adaptec – Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple – R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Apple – Indian national and former Goldman Sachs board member Rajat Gupta charged with leaking Intel and Apple secrets over the phone.
    Australia’s National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas – Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
    Circuit City – Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
    Cisco – destroyed by Indian labor, laid off 55,000 in 2012, going down the drain.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Computer Associates – Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
    Deloitte – 2010 – this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
    Dell – call center (closed in India)
    Delta call centers (closed in India)
    Duke University – Massive scientific fraud by Indian national Dr. Anil Potti discovered in 2012.
    Enron, WorldCom, Qwest, and Tyco all hired large numbers of foreign workers from India before their scandals.
    Fannie Mae – Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
    Goldman Sachs – Kunil Shah, VP & Managing Director – GS had to be bailed out by US taxpayers for $550 BILLION.
    GM – Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HP – Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can’t compete with Apple’s tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for ‘Asian’ talent!
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    IBM bill collecting system for Austin, TX failed in 2012 written by Indians at IBM
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    Intel – Trade secret stolen by Indian national Biswamohan Pani in 2012.
    JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas – which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc.
    JP Morgan – Outsourced subsidiary & IT integration to India in 2009 for $400 million, lost $2 billion in 2012.
    Kodak: Outsourced to India in 2006, filed for bankruptcy in Jan, 2012.
    Lehman (Jasjit Bhattal ruined the company. Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    Medicare – Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
    Microsoft – Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it’s lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    MIPS – Taken over by Indian national Sandeep Vij in 2010, being sold off in 2012.
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    MyNines – A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America’s VC $ down the drain.
    Nomura Securities – (In 2011 “struggling to compete on the world stage”). No wonder because Jasjit Bhattal formerly of failed Lehman ran it. See Lehman above.
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    PepsiCo – Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi’ watch.
    Polycom – Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
    Qantas – See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Reebok – Massive fraud and theft in India second in size only to Satyam fraud
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    SAP – Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
    Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)
    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
    UK’s NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
    Union Bank of California – Cancelled Finacle project run by India’s InfoSys in 2011.
    United – call center (closed in India)
    US Navy F-18 jet crashes into Virginia apartment building on 4/6/12 after outsourcing F-18 work to India’s Tata.
    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

    I could post the whole list here but I don’t want to crash any servers.

    • Elle permalink
      January 30, 2013 1:55 am

      Indians in my old school were super hard working, but would openly and loudly cheat in classes they were not fond of… I mean this simultaneously. Otherwise they were super hard working in classes they were good at.

      Yes, I worked at a telecom company, a tiny one, and was fired by an arrogant (white) boss who had a picture of Mao in his office. Was overjoyed years later to find the company had gone under. They had chaotic Third World workers there too, a Brazilian girl (anchor baby) they hired cause she was bi-lingual… yet profoundly disorganized and could not put together a training manual… could speak both languages, but neither well kind of thing.

      I’ve heard about East Indian customer service and language ability in general (in terms of English) that they can SPEAK English but cannot COMPREHEND English, which effects things.

      Oh, I noticed a massive change of customer service quality when Trend Micro anti-virus moved their customer service from California to the Phillipines… After the twelfth call to them for help, I gave up. They simply could not problem-solve off script… and the script they worked off of was the same on the website I could read.

    • Elle permalink
      January 30, 2013 2:31 am

      You’re right… INDIA IS SUPER CORRUPT… SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT CORRUPTION OVERFLOWS INTO THEIR BUSINESS DEALINGS HERE… AND IN THE OUTSOURCING PLACES…

  25. Rajesh permalink
    July 2, 2012 6:52 am

    From: “Rajesh Kumar Ramachandran
    
Subject: Listen to me A******!!
    
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 20:49:20 -0700 (PDT)

    Now listen carefully to me a******.. dont just bark around in the corner like a rabies stricken stray dog about your pathetic views about politics and jobs. If your insecure about your skills and abilities thats your f****** problem not Indians or any other politicians.. Well you want me to provoke you well then hear this, we are gonna take all your jobs away.. we gonna make sure that you dont even have money to buy s*** and eat, we gonna take evrything thatwas yours.. we gonna drape the Statue of Liberty with a saree (you dont know wahta saree iis, well its a dress which Indian women wear).. now get your f****** stinking face out of here A******!!!!!

    • magdalena appert permalink
      December 6, 2012 9:56 am

      wow, sounds like a declaration of war. however, who is going to do all the jobs which
      “we” are going to take away. india’s pisa rating was 93rd out of 94. perhaps it might be
      a good idea to get the people educated, before embarking on such an ambitious project.
      p.s. in case you are unfamiliar with the pisa rating, check it out.

  26. Spartacus permalink
    June 5, 2013 6:39 pm

    Firstly, IQ is nothing more than an academic rigor in the hard sciences which anyone can obtain, “anyone”, and I mean, “anyone”. Secondly, any notion of intellectual superiority in the heads of Indians is just that, a notion…sort of like the notion of superpower status…

  27. white knight permalink
    December 2, 2014 2:45 pm

    Hahahaha i feel like laughing at ur post bro. My God i never knew u wud be soooooo Insecure and Jealous of India,

    1st of a u mentioned India is a craphole , tjis proves that u are very ignorant bat India

    2nd of all u mentioned ur bad habit of “dating” Indian chicks hahaha, truth is u havent dated any Indian chick, there are hardly any Indian chicks going out with guys out of their own Indian race, Indian girls only go out with Indian guys, and u mentioned “bad habit” here u are trying to portray ur self as a “bad guy” on whom Indian chicks fall for this is absolutely false even u know it, and u also mentioned and the qorld world knows that Indian excel in their work ,their in whatever work they take up, so obviously an Indian chick will go for that successful Indian guys and not white guys

    The Truth is u are extremely jealous and Insecure because infinite Number of White chicks are dating and sleeping white infinite number of Indian guys on top of that Indian guys succeed like hell and putting white guys behind. I know all this coz i have loads of Indian friends, i personally know many many white girls dating and screwing Indian guys

    All ur posts i have seen are Racist abt Indians, U r stereotyping them , U r just Jealous and insecure because Infinite number of Indian guys are dating and Sleeping with Infinite number of our White girls even u know this

    U have used subtly derogatory statements in ur other posts against Indians to top it all 90 % of ur blog is concentrated against particularly Indians, this itself proves that u havent dated any Indian chick in ur life, Indian chicks do not date outside their own race, U r just jealous because infinite number of White chicks are dating and sleeping with Indian guys

    Take a chill pill someday

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